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Offline BlkBird

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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2012, 06:52:12 am »
Now you can tell anyone who ever questioned the logic in spending so much for the extra parts every penny was justified.  Glad you had a happy ending.

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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2012, 12:10:59 pm »
What a great testimony to the Top Block system. I'm sitting here waiting for at least another month or more for Ryan's Canyon Cage bars... with no absolute guarantee they'll work as well as the TB... Meanwhile, riding around clamping my cheeks  every time I have to go thru gravel on roads up on the Mountain getting to Santa Cruz.
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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2012, 12:48:20 pm »
Anybody else see that he was moving it to take more pics of it?

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Glad it went ok, and the gear protected it.

Flip-flops?

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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2012, 02:43:41 pm »
What a great testimony to the Top Block system. I'm sitting here waiting for at least another month or more for Ryan's Canyon Cage bars...


The Top Blocks are a great design and fantastic looking.  But this is a testimony only to a slightly-helped, zero speed tip-over.  As I have said several times in the past, in a push-over or while moving at any speed, it is highly likely the bike will roll/rock over the Top Block and smash the mirrors, bags, and upper fairing.

I said all this BEFORE it was also essentially said by Ryan, and you can see what I mean here:  http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=7593.msg98038#msg98038

Yes, it is WONDERFUL and IMPRESSIVE to see the Top Block in action!  And they offer a lot of protection for something so minimal and stylish.  I dare say, you probably can't buy, get, or design something better for the profile/protection ratio.  But they do not offer the protection afforded by something like the Canyon Carvers.  Nor are they as inexpensive or as easy to remove for service and they require cutting the fairing.  And the Canyons won't offer the level of protection of the hideous bathroom bars.

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with no absolute guarantee they'll work as well as the TB...


The Canyons *will* work at LEAST as good but likely far better at protecting than the Top Blocks.   Given the level of competency shown by McEnterprises, you will likely find nobody who will disagree with my statement.  About the only real question is level of protection if used WITHOUT the small rears.  As far as to the aesthetics of them, that is going to be the key deciding factor for most people:  If money is no object, then what level of protection can you tolerate vs. how they look?

Model         Aesthetics    Level of protection    Cost     Availability    Removability
GSG            B                  D                               B          B                   A (N/A)
TopBlock     A                  C                               D          D                  C
BathBars    D                  A                               A           A                  B
Canyon      C                  B                               A           A                  B
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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2012, 03:34:43 pm »
I don't think there is a product made that will safely protect a bike in any kind of speed drop...these kind of protectors the Canyon carvers the laundry type protectors or the top blocks now protecting in a tip over with little or no speed that is another situation and I believe all three would do the job really well. I for one bought mine for the stopped or very low speed tip over protection,
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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2012, 03:45:48 pm »
Well that makes up my mind. I'm going with the Top Block front & rear sliders and MC Canyon Cage. It seems that combination will give decent protection.
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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2012, 03:54:26 pm »

Model         Aesthetics    Level of protection    Cost     Availability    Removability
TopBlock     A                  C                               D          D                  C


 
Well, once again I totally disagree with you Max...  :)
 
 
Level of protection you give a C??  ???  Did you see the pics I posted and I have ZERO damage to anything on my Connie...
 
Cost you give a D??  ???  Had I not had the Top Blocks on I would have done about $3k in damage to the bodywork and exhaust etc, so I'd say they are cheap insurance...
 
Availability you give a D??  ???  How do you figure this?? Send an email to Tatiana at Top Block, send $ via Paypal, 2 weeks later they deliver to your door step...
 
Removability you give a C??  ???  Have you ever removed them, I think not... I'm told by my shop it's about a 10 minute job to get the lower fairing off if needed, you don't have to completely remove the entire kit, only that outer arm...
 
 
 
I give Top Block an A+ for all categories!!  ;D   :thumbs: :thumbs:
 

 
 
 
 
I think you're just jealous and totally wrong Max...
 

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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2012, 04:02:34 pm »
Actually you could remove the lower fairing by removing two bolts from the Top Block one on each side....interference with servicing your bike very minimal.
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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2012, 04:13:23 pm »
I'm told by my shop it's about a 10 minute job to get the lower fairing off if needed, you don't have to completely remove the entire kit, only that outer arm...
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Does anybody else find this as amusing as me?

Sorry Jay, you left yourself wide open.

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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2012, 04:40:01 pm »
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Does anybody else find this as amusing as me?

Sorry Jay, you left yourself wide open.

 
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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2012, 04:52:15 pm »

Well, once again I totally disagree with you Max...  :)

That's OK.   It happens sometimes.
 
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Level of protection you give a C??  ???  Did you see the pics I posted and I have ZERO damage to anything on my Connie...

It is a comparison, not an absolute.  I am talking about in all possible situations, not just one.  The "C" doesn't mean it is bad, just not as good as an "A" or "B".
 
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Cost you give a D??  ???  Had I not had the Top Blocks on I would have done about $3k in damage to the bodywork and exhaust etc, so I'd say they are cheap insurance...

Again, just a comparison.  It is three times the expected expense of the Canyons or the actual cost of the bathroom bars, for example.  I am not saying it isn't a good value for what it does.  And for some people (like me), the cost difference really isn't all that important; for others, it is.
 
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Availability you give a D??  ???  How do you figure this?? Send an email to Tatiana at Top Block, send $ via Paypal, 2 weeks later they deliver to your door step...

Comparison- not absolute.  Compared to the others, you have to deal via Email not phone, with people out of the country, not local, with a company that provides instructions that are not in English, and offer probably no tech support, take a payment fee hit and risk, and then take at least twice as long to get delivery as the others.  If something goes wrong (wrong part, damaged/missing goods, bad fit, etc), it could get much, much worse.  In fact, the only way I can think of to make availability be much worse is if they were also on perpetual backorder or something.

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Removability you give a C??  ???  Have you ever removed them, I think not... I'm told by my shop it's about a 10 minute job to get the lower fairing off if needed, you don't have to completely remove the entire kit, only that outer arm...

COMPARISON!!!  What if an alternative is a 5 minute job?  That is twice as good.  But both or neither might be just fine.  I think my mistake is that I should have just used a ranking instead of trying to weigh them against each other with a score.

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I think you're just jealous and totally wrong Max...

Illogical- I have nothing to be jealous of, since I have no protection right now at all.  I am in the market, and comparing options.  I have not decided what I am going to do yet.  The Top Blocks are very compelling, and have been all along.  The reasons I don't already have them on my bike are exactly those I already explained.  I am extremely averse to cutting my fairing and that is probably the worse thing for me to swallow.  But what is right for me or you can and will be different sometimes ;)

The information you have provided has gone a LONG way to showing just how viable the Top Blocks really are and made this whole decision extremely difficult for me.
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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2012, 05:01:45 pm »
Well that makes up my mind. I'm going with the Top Block front & rear sliders and MC Canyon Cage. It seems that combination will give decent protection.

The Top Blocks can also give decent protection (as illustrated in this thread).  It all depends on how much protection and in what situations.
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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2012, 05:03:13 pm »
While you were taking pictures of your bike laying on the pavement, I was out ridding mine upright.  ;D

Did your wife help you get it upright?


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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2012, 05:03:59 pm »
While you were taking pictures of your bike laying on the pavement, I was out ridding mine upright.  ;D

Did your wife help you get it upright?

Ooooh, that is low.....
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Re: ZG goes down!! Top Block saves my Connie!!
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2012, 05:07:04 pm »
Ooooh, that is low.....

Hehe, I'm just glad he and his bike are OK so I can poke some fun.